TICONDEROGA 2008

[La Plume]

Regular readers of 'Outpost' will know that the 250th anniversery re-enactment of Ticonderoga/Carillon is taking place in 2008 - over the weekend 27-29 June - in New York State. It is promising to be THE place to be for those into the F&I War.

There will soon be an event specific website up and running and in the meantime work is progressing well in building the French log war that the Redcoats will be assaulting.

If any members are thinking of going and would like to be kept up to date with news then let me know.

I can confirm that the Royal Artillerie will be there. ;D

And as well as being a fantastic re-enactment in its own right, there is also the opportunity to visit Saratoga battlefield (AWI) and the reconstructed Fort William Henry which are en route from New York.

Salut!!

[Ranger_Dave.G]

Hi A few of us rangers are interested in Ticonderoga and would like more info as to what is involved etc like how do we get our guns and knives out there and is camping supplied what costs is there likely to be all information will be appreciated
Regards
Ranger_Dave.G

[La Plume]

Once you have decided definitely that you want to go and know how many you will be I will put you in touch with the organiser. In an ideal world he would find a unit who could find some spare tentage for you to save you having to transport your own. That is what we do in the Artillerie. We don't take our muskets as we opwerate over there as artillery and they give us a cannon to play with! - but when moving muskets you would need to contact your selected airline and ask them what they require you to do regarding transportation. You would normally have to declare the guns to UK customs on the way out and US customs on arrival - and the same on the way back - but if someone knows more please let us know. If you could do without your knives it would save hassle and they don't let you carry them on the battlefield unless they are fixed into their sheath so they can not be drawn.

Regarding costs, we tend to eat off site at a nearby Diner which is pretty cheap.

However, they have an excellent traders market at the event and you'll probably end up spending loads of cash!!

If you want to chat about any of this, speak to me - or any of the Artillerie - at your the next event you come to.

[kittaning1955]

I plan to go Ft.Tic in 2008 , probably attached to some native groups there.
I have to ask to some friends in the States if my name should be included in their lists .
I'll keep you informed.

Piero

[kittaning1955]

Apart the Royale Artillerie, somebody else plan to go to Fort Tic in June?
I'm planning to go there and I would like to know if I could meet some of you there.
Piero

[minkie]

I tink Big Dave, Patrick & Tim are planning on going from the 36th.

[Admin(Lepoir)]

Here are some of my holiday snaps from Ti and a bit of Lake George too!

s336.photobucket.com/albums/n350/TiconderogaUK2008/

[tod]

Nice leather gaitors, is that a GIRL playing an officer?
s336.photobucket.com/albums/n350/TiconderogaUK2008/?action=view¤t=P6270024.jpg

Nice pics. A seroius question all the Malice seem to have white shirts and red hats, were they issued, or is it that the "re-enactment fashion".

[Andy Robertson]

Tuques had province colours if what I was told was right.

But that could be BS.

Red tuques became a Canadian national thing in 1837 according to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuque, but I am sure there is provinence for earlier.

[Admin(Lepoir)]

Here is a very useful guide from Mario at frontierfolk.net


'This is my persona bibliography for a trader called back for duty with the milice:


(P)- Primary Source (S)- Secondary Source

Clothing

Breechcloth and Leggings: Woodland-style, wool
(P)- “1 breechcloth, 1 pair of leggings”
List of supplies issued to Canadian militia by Bourlamaque. National Archives of Canada, MG-18, K-9, Papiers Bourlamaque, Volume 6, 2e partie (1756-1760)

(P)- “1 pair of wool leggings, 1 breechcloth”
Bougainville, Antoine The American Journals of Louis Antoine de Bougainville pg. 87

Hat: Wool tuque/ Bonnet drap
(P)- Mention of an order of 8,000 bonnets drapes for Canadian militia.
Lettre d’Abraham Gradis, 11 octubre 1757 as cited in Delisle, Steve. The Equipment of the New France Militia 1740-1760 pg 10

(P)- “Most of them wear red woolen caps at home and sometimes on their journey.”
Kalm, P. Voyage de Pehr Kalm au Canada en 1749 pg. 511

Shirts: French chemise d’homme, cotton
(P)- “2 cotton shirts”
List of supplies issued to Canadian militia by Bourlamaque. National Archives of Canada, MG-18, K-9, Papiers Bourlamaque, Volume 6, 2e partie (1756-1760)

(P)- “The six canadiens receive the following…6 cotton shirts”
Supplies for the expedition led by the Chevalier de Niverville, 1747. Archives des colonies, series C11A, volume 117.

Footwear, summer: Soulier de boeuf (oxhide shoe)
(P)-“The six canadiens receive the following…6 pairs of oxhide shoes.”
Supplies for the expedition led by the Chevalier de Niverville, 1747. Archives des colonies, series C11A, volume 117.

(P)- “1 pair of tanned shoes per month”
List of supplies issued to Canadian militia by Bourlamaque. National Archives of Canada, MG-18, K-9, Papiers Bourlamaque, Volume 6, 2e partie (1756-1760)

Footwear, summer: moccasins, pucker-toe, moose/deer hide
(P)-“From the skins of these animals [deer] the natives as well as the French in Canada make their shoes which they use on their journeys…”
Kalm, P. Voyage de Pehr Kalm au Canada en 1749 pg 589

(S)- “A breechcloth, mitasses and moccasins completed the basic clothing.”
Delisle, Steve. The Equipment of the New France Militia 1740-1760 pg. 9

Sash: Simple wool strip
(P)- “Usually three knives; one hanging about the neck, one in the sash and one along the leg, outside, in the garter.”
Jolicoeur Charles Bonin Voyage au Canada fait depuis l’an 1751 jusqu’en l’an 1761

(S)-“Most of these sashes were simply cut from a piece of cloth.”
Back, Francis “The Dress of the First Voyageurs, 1650-1715” MFTQ Summer, 2000
Arms & Equipment

Firelock: French trade fusil, 28-bore, 44” barrel, brass furniture
(P)- “…among whom there were many Canadians who were dispersed among the regiments to swell their numbers. These men, who are only suited to petite-guerre & who were in any case poorly armed since they only had simple hunting muskets without bayonets…”
Pouchot, Pierre. Memoirs on the Late War in North America between France and England pg. 225

(S)- “The objective was to produce a hunting musket that was out of the ordinary to be distributed to the allied Indian chiefs or to the personnel working for the King and fur traders.”
Bouchard, Russel. The Fusil de Tulle in New France 1691-1741 pg. 25

Gun tools: Worm
(P)- “1 worm”
List of supplies issued to Canadian militia by Bourlamaque. National Archives of Canada, MG-18, K-9, Papiers Bourlamaque, Volume 6, 2e partie (1756-1760)

(P)- “All soldiers and militia are forbidden to fire their weapons on the pretext of emptying them. They must unload with a worm.”
Bougainville, Antoine. The American Journals of Louis Antoine de Bougainville pg. 23


Shot Pouch: Deerskin Splitpouch
(P)- Deerskin Splitpouch, ca. 1750
Collection of the Pocumtuck Valley Memorial Association

(P)- Split pouch worn by 3 “coureurs de bois” in a ca. 1730 sketch.
Biencke rare books collection, Yale University

Powder Horn: simple cow horn with a leather strap and antler measure.
(P)-“The Indians and French in Canada, make use of the horns of these creatures [wild cattle/buffalo] to put gunpowder in.”
Kalm, P. Voyage de Pehr Kalm au Canada en 1749 pg. 406

(P)- “In the [October 20th] 1755 supply order…[Francois-Marc-Antoine] Le Mercier requests 5,500 powder horns from France, with a one-pound capacity, to equip the habitants.”
As mentioned in Delisle, Steve. The Equipment of the New France Militia 1740-1760 pg. 32


Sheath Knife: French butcher knife (“boucheron”), forged by ML Knives
(P)-“1 boucheron knife”
List of supplies issued to Canadian militia by Bourlamaque. National Archives of Canada, MG-18, K-9, Papiers Bourlamaque, Volume 6, 2e partie (1756-1760)

(P)-Recovery from French camp on Lake George, Siege of Fort William Henry, 1757.

Tomahawk: French style “casse-tete”, straight handle
(P)- “1 tomahawk”
List of supplies issued to Canadian militia by Bourlamaque. National Archives of Canada, MG-18, K-9, Papiers Bourlamaque, Volume 6, 2e partie (1756-1760)

(P)- Simon Gilbert Collection
As seen in Delisle, Steve. The Equipment of the New France Militia 1740-1760 pg. 30


Pack: Blanket roll carried on a tumpline
(P)- “2 burden straps”
Bougainville, Antoine The American Journals of Louis Antoine de Bougainville pg. 87

(P)- “The six canadiens receive the following…6 tumplines.”
Supplies for the expedition led by the Chevalier de Niverville, 1747. Archives des colonies, series C11A, volume 117.

Cooking/Eating: “Dog-eared” trade kettle from High Horse Trading
(P)- 400 brass pots without lids ordered for delivery in 1747
Archives des colonies, C11A, volume 86, folio 12

(P)- “In addition, for each soldier and militiaman…1 cooking pot per 2 men.”
List of supplies issued to Canadian militia by Bourlamaque. National Archives of Canada, MG-18, K-9, Papiers Bourlamaque, Volume 6, 2e partie (1756-1760)

Cooking/eating: Horn Sthingy
(P)- “For each person they put a…sthingy…”
Kalm, P. Voyage de Pehr Kalm au Canada en 1749 pg. 474

(S)-“Each regular soldier was to receive…a knife, fork, and sthingy.”
Gallup & Schaffer La Marine: The French Colonial Soldier in Canada 1745-1761 pg. 127

Fire Kit: Fire-steel
(P)- “The six canadiens receive the following…6 fire-steels.”
Supplies for the expedition led by the Chevalier de Niverville, 1747. Archives des colonies, series C11A, volume 117.

(P)-“226 fire-steels”
Supplies issued to 226 habitants for the expedition led by M. Chevalier de la Corne, 31 May 1747 Archives des colonies, Series C11A, volume 117

Fire Kit: Gunflints
(P)- “36 gunflints”
Supplies for the expedition led by the Chevalier de Niverville, 1747. Archives des colonies, series C11A, volume 117.

(P)- “6 gunflints”
List of supplies issued to Canadian militia by Bourlamaque. National Archives of Canada, MG-18, K-9, Papiers Bourlamaque, Volume 6, 2e partie (1756-1760)


Fire Kit: Tinderbox
(P)- “An Indian often goes off alone…with only his musket, powder and shot, a tinderbox…
Pouchot, Pierre. Memoirs on the Late War in North America between France and England pg. 482

(P)- “one tinderbox”
Bougainville, Antoine The American Journals of Louis Antoine de Bougainville pg. 87

Fire Kit: tinder, punk/fungus (“bear crap fungus”)
(P)- “…by the help of their punk, made a fire.”
A Narrative of the Captivity of Mrs. Johnson (1754-57) as found in Calloway, Colin G. North Country Captives pg. 61

(S)-“The [tinder] box often contained a metal flint striker and flint, as well as the tinder.”
Gallup & Schaffer La Marine: The French Colonial Soldier in Canada 1745-1761 pg. 121

Sewing equipment: Thread
(P)- “Two hanks of thread…”
Bougainville, Antoine The American Journals of Louis Antoine de Bougainville pg. 87

(P)- “Two skeins of thread...”
List of supplies issued to Canadian militia by Bourlamaque. National Archives of Canada, MG-18, K-9, Papiers Bourlamaque, Volume 6, 2e partie (1756-1760)

Sewing Equipment: Awl (set in handle)
(P)- “…one awl”
Bougainville, Antoine The American Journals of Louis Antoine de Bougainville pg. 87

(P)- “…one awl.”
List of supplies issued to Canadian militia by Bourlamaque. National Archives of Canada, MG-18, K-9, Papiers Bourlamaque, Volume 6, 2e partie (1756-1760)

Sewing Equipment: Needles
(P)- “…six needles…”
Bougainville, Antoine The American Journals of Louis Antoine de Bougainville pg. 87

(P)- “…6 needles...”
List of supplies issued to Canadian militia by Bourlamaque. National Archives of Canada, MG-18, K-9, Papiers Bourlamaque, Volume 6, 2e partie (1756-1760)

Seasonings: Salt
(P)- “The salt was a grey, finely powdered variety.”
Kalm, P. Voyage de Pehr Kalm au Canada en 1749 pg. 383

(P)- “one bushel of salt”
Household inventory dated Sept. 1755- Feb. 1756, as found in Peyser, Joseph L. Jacques LeGardeur de Saint Pierre: Officer, Gentleman, Entrepreneur page 299' '

So essentially a shirt is pretty definate as is the wool hat being mainly red.

Looking again at research done on the same board most tuques mentioned are red but I don't think they can seriously say there were NO blue tuques. Plus milice were just described as mostly wearing red tuques so they could have been wearing workers caps, bandanas or tricorns etc.

[steve stanley]

Jul 22, 2008 9:54:02 GMT 1 Andy Robertson said:

Tuques had province colours if what I was told was right.

But that could be BS.

Red tuques became a Canadian national thing in 1837 according to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuque, but I am sure there is provinence for earlier.

I could be wrong...But I seem to recall the province colours were around for Milice in the War of 1812 rather than earlier..(By which time they were on the right side...
Steve